Friends — I’m on my way home after a successful trip to Australia. I enjoyed a conversation with Sam Bamford, an up-and-coming podcaster, about free speech. I hope you will enjoy it. — Michael
Shellenberger on Sam Bamford’s “Two Worlds Collide”
Sam: Michael, thank you very much for coming on Two Worlds Collide. There’s a lot we need to talk about today, especially this bill. A lot of people like to call it the Digital Duty of Care Bill, but I just call it the Mass Censorship Bill, because it’s a Trojan horse. So thank you for coming over. You were at CPAC on the weekend as well?
Michael: Yes, that’s right. Thanks for having me.
Sam: Thank you for coming up for it. And you were in Canberra yesterday. How did that go?
Michael: Fascinating, from an anthropological perspective. We were there on Monday and Tuesday. A lot of good people there. Obviously there are people who are really trying to fight this thing, and they see exactly what it is. They know the government is doing this because the government hates the truth and doesn’t want the truth to be recognized.
